tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post6968524765332074527..comments2023-11-03T00:31:37.475-04:00Comments on DeKalb County School Watch: Math SurveyCerebrationhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11161868015604029471noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-8149218691232070452011-02-23T14:16:00.589-05:002011-02-23T14:16:00.589-05:00People like you and me can say such things because...People like you and me can say such things because we never made a mistake.<br /><br />"Anon 8:09: The first thing our educators need to master is the English language, then the subject matter, then how to teach the subject matter!"<br /><br />Anyone else want to join the Throw the First Stone Club? One of the problems in the computer age is we depend too much on Spell Check. It lets you use the wrong word sometimes.<br /><br />The motto of the club by the way is “sit on the sidelines and criticize”.<br /><br />Oh wait, is that a mote in our eye?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-55535931301016108782011-02-23T06:51:06.185-05:002011-02-23T06:51:06.185-05:00Anon 8:09am
I'm sure most of the educational d...Anon 8:09am<br />I'm sure most of the educational degrees that our top administrators have received are<br />GED's instead of PhD's.<br /><br />I'm just saying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-58867849299532627122011-02-23T06:39:50.615-05:002011-02-23T06:39:50.615-05:00What a waste of time, if the CRCT mock is true. G...What a waste of time, if the CRCT mock is true. Giving the kids a solid foundation in education will get the kids ready for their CRCT, not giving them coach books and mock tests.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-83431763608118813122011-02-23T00:57:33.681-05:002011-02-23T00:57:33.681-05:00Word on the street is Beaseley and the Teaching an...Word on the street is Beaseley and the Teaching and Learning Dept. have decided to do a 4 day pre-CRCT test in March. Anyone else hear this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-38074074814620303882011-02-22T12:40:31.529-05:002011-02-22T12:40:31.529-05:00The entire top administrators need to be replaced ...The entire top administrators need to be replaced because we don't have any top notch people. If they are the best that DCSS can find, we are in more trouble than anyone can even believe. If we can't find better people for these top positions, we need to close the district down, and allow start up charter schools to run the eduction program in DCSS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-76884901465302575822011-02-22T12:19:33.594-05:002011-02-22T12:19:33.594-05:00But shouldn't your Operations COO be that &quo...But shouldn't your Operations COO be that "business-person"? How about the CFO? How about the head of transportation? Head of plant services? Human resources? Right now, the ONLY top-level person under Tyson charged with education as their duty at DCSS is Beasley. Then, you have Ms Berry and the Office of School Improvement and an enormous cast and crew -- all under Beasley.Cerebrationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11161868015604029471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-9089579574325207582011-02-22T11:19:41.519-05:002011-02-22T11:19:41.519-05:00I believe that we need the person running the mone...I believe that we need the person running the money side to be business minded, so that the spending on programs, materials, and jobs that are really not needed is what we need along with a person who has a strong teaching record who understands how to develop curriculum and get teachers the best training possible. Together two people running our schools could make our schools great again. I believe that one without the other will keep us down the path we are currently on with little hopes of ever getting better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-88510138088189111822011-02-22T10:46:26.621-05:002011-02-22T10:46:26.621-05:00Funnily enough, Dr. Lewis promised OVER A YEAR AGO...Funnily enough, Dr. Lewis promised OVER A YEAR AGO - that he was going to make major cuts to administration...(his "cabinet")... <br /><br /><a href="http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2010/02/19/dekalb-to-close-four-schools-and-lose-15-bigwigs-and-that-wont-be-all/" rel="nofollow">DeKalb to close four schools and lose 15 bigwigs. Gwinnett sets furlough days.</a><br /><br /><i>The budget axe is falling on four schools and the central office staff in DeKalb County where Superintendent Crawford Lewis announced Friday, “We can no longer afford to operate schools which are at half capacity.” Lewis said he will pare his cabinet back from 27 administrators to about 12, a move that should placate critics who contend that the central office is full of people who don’t have a real impact on student learning in the county.<br /><br />The financially struggling DeKalb school system – the deficit is now at $88 million from state cuts and falling revenue — will name the four elementary schools that will close next week, choosing from among 29 schools with enrollments of less than 300 students.</i>Cerebrationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11161868015604029471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-45290485673621896762011-02-22T10:44:33.399-05:002011-02-22T10:44:33.399-05:00Placing Morcease Beasley in this position was the ...Placing Morcease Beasley in this position was the first thing to really make me question Ramona Tyson's leadership ability as it concerns education. Don't get me wrong - I think she has done a remarkable job with budgeting, buildings, redistricting, etc - business management type decisions. In fact, I would say that her leadership and the implementation of the changes she has initiated have probably saved the system from a SACS intervention.<br /><br />However, she does not appear to be a leader in creating a vision for students - in the classroom. This, IMO, makes the case for steering clear of hiring a business-minded full-time superintendent and instead focusing on someone who truly understands learning - and children. Someone who can recognize qualified curriculum leaders and principal leaders and put them in place. Someone who values teachers and will support them, giving them all the necessary tools and enforcing the necessary discipline to get the job done.<br /><br />We really needed Ramona's leadership in this particular time period. We were in budgetary crisis, with too much bloat and too few resources spread too thin. SACS was breathing down our necks and we were going literally broke. She has made some tough decisions that led our system to a more stable platform. That said, I seriously hope that she will continue -- making further cuts to the top level administration - streamlining services so that resources flow directly to the classroom first - and consolidating schools in order to make the most of our dollars. Then, she can hand the reins over to someone with the ability to focus on education - knowing that she gave that person a "house in good order"...Cerebrationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11161868015604029471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-7318149752437736932011-02-22T10:24:34.437-05:002011-02-22T10:24:34.437-05:00Anon 8:09: The first thing our educators need to ...Anon 8:09: The first thing our educators need to master is the English language, then the subject matter, then how to teach the subject matter! Then when they become the Beasley administrators of the world, they can at least speak and write correctly so they don't embarass us and don't set a poor example for the teachers and students under them!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-53845054721229215402011-02-22T10:16:17.657-05:002011-02-22T10:16:17.657-05:00That's the way I've heard it. The program...That's the way I've heard it. The program is supposedly very good, but requires an enormous amount of teacher training. Some counties poured millions into this training - and may even keep the math program. Others tried to train their teachers, but were very ineffective (probably used "train the trainer" methods).<br /><br />The AJC published a good article on the subject yesterday. Gwinnett spent a fortune on the new math, as did Clayton. This article isn't available online, but it tells us that "Gwinnett county, the state's largest system, spent nearly $3.5 million to implement the three-in-one math classes that frustrated parents and students across the state and have been linked by some to a statewide nose dive in test scores."<br /><br />However, by and large, the new math doesn't have many cheerleaders:<br /><a href="http://www.ajc.com/news/integrated-math-finds-little-847748.html" rel="nofollow">Integrated math finds little support among superintendents</a><br /><br />Here's a post from last May highlighting the failure rate of new math students -<br /><br /><a href="http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2010/05/21/the-states-new-math-%E2%80%9Ckids-are-failing-left-and-right/?cp=3" rel="nofollow">The state’s new math program: “Kids are failing left and right”</a><br /><br />But then, Maureen Downey has an interesting blog post - defending the new math program -<br /><br /><a href="http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2011/02/22/state-math-supervisors-dont-change-maintain-integrated-math/" rel="nofollow">State math supervisors: Don’t change. Maintain integrated math.</a>Cerebrationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11161868015604029471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-49163963717804084502011-02-22T09:58:58.449-05:002011-02-22T09:58:58.449-05:00Integrated, Smintegrated...doesn't fricken mat...Integrated, Smintegrated...doesn't fricken matter!!<br /><br />You could have Albert Einstein himself standing in front of a number of these high school students and he would not be able to teach many of them because these students lack the foundation neccessary to do much of what is being asked of them. <br /><br />Traditional or new, fandangled, makes no difference if a child does not understand the simplest of operations, has no clue as to mathematical properties (associative, commutative, distributive) and then HOLY MOLY, can not read well enough to begin to understand a word problem.<br /><br />This is not a high school problem. <br /><br />This is a from the cradle problem!<br /><br />We need to begin building the solid fundamentals and require mastery way, way before high school!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-64601037537632021972011-02-22T09:57:28.252-05:002011-02-22T09:57:28.252-05:00So true. I don't actually care whether the mat...So true. I don't actually care whether the math curriculum is integrated or differentiated, discreet or indiscreet, as long as students gain understanding and mastery from teachers who have understanding and mastery. <br /><br />The "survey" doesn't ask me whether I want a well-designed curriculum with proper books and materials taught by teachers who thoroughly understand the subject and who have the freedom to teach in whatever ways they can be most effective. Since that is not an option, there isn't much point responding to the survey. <br /><br />I think a student's prospects for learning math are slightly better with the traditional curriculum only because the teachers and textbook publishers have years of experience with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-81839725649903096862011-02-22T08:22:02.054-05:002011-02-22T08:22:02.054-05:00Integrated math is more rigorous but if taught wel...Integrated math is more rigorous but if taught well teaches kids ro understand and apply mathematical concepts. A student can perform well in the traditional math curriculum without really understanding math but by learning how to perform a defined set of operations to do certain types of problems. But for a teacher to teach integrated math, he/she much have mastery and understanding of mathematical concepts from algebra, geometry, trig, statistics and calculus. Most of our high school math teachers do not and thus cannot convey the principles to the students. We simply must change the way we are educating our teachers and elevate the standards required to qualify to be a teacher at the high school level, particulary for math and science.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-26104156063215359072011-02-22T08:09:21.382-05:002011-02-22T08:09:21.382-05:00And I am sure that Beasley never actually took a D...And I am sure that Beasley never actually took a Discrete Math class in college or graduate school. If had had, he would have known that the high school math curriculum also covers topics not classified as Discrete Math. Once again, we see those guiding instruction for our school systems have little "in field" knowledge. This is true for the science coordinators, as well. Our educators should master subject matter FIRST, then learn how to teach it. Instead, most go to school to learn how to teach a particular subject, but never really gain in-depth understanding of the subject they are trying to teach. This is the difference between EdD and PhD. <br /><br />And, it was another true math expert, Kathy Cox, who got us into this mess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-73578268715308248872011-02-22T01:23:14.925-05:002011-02-22T01:23:14.925-05:00What a moron. This is the guy we are supposed to ...What a moron. This is the guy we are supposed to look up to as a curriculum leader?DCSS Teachernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-74935359231155416192011-02-22T00:44:30.906-05:002011-02-22T00:44:30.906-05:00LOL - Discreet math! I'm sorry - but that is ...LOL - Discreet math! I'm sorry - but that is too funny that the Curriculum and Instruction head whose only claim to instructional fame is 3 1/2 years as a math teacher many years ago does not know how to spell Discrete Math.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-17490120574331168942011-02-21T22:29:22.504-05:002011-02-21T22:29:22.504-05:00@ 9:43 Many of the other administrators have the ...@ 9:43 Many of the other administrators have the problems with the English language whether in print or the spoken language. One wonders how they have their advanced degrees without anyone addressing these issues with them, so that they are extra careful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-36454567738768787812011-02-21T22:23:52.862-05:002011-02-21T22:23:52.862-05:00@ 9:58 I beg to differ with you. The problem is ...@ 9:58 I beg to differ with you. The problem is that our students do not have the mathematical ability to truly understand the basic concepts of math taught in elementary school to make a transition to middle and high school math. Our elementary math department has done a different curriculum plan for the past four years since getting the new curriculum. The math benchmarks have been poorly written and often times questions have nothing to do with what has been asked to be taught. <br /><br />Our students have little understand of place value, number sense, basic mathematical skills of addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, fractions, etc., and have difficulty with word problems. Teachers have little time to teach and what they are asked to teach via the board of education. It's also mind boggling, as huge assumptions are made in student knowledge that simply does not exist. <br /><br />Math in general needs to be revamped via the state/DCSS or whatever, as it cannot stay the way that it is if we expect our students to be able to succeed in demanding math and science curriculum.<br /><br />As an ex-elementary teacher in DCSS, I am convinced that the math curriculum people do not know what they are doing in general. You can not have trainers training trainers at the county level, who train the teachers who train the teachers at the school model, just doesn't work. Our county wastes money on law suits, expensive computer programs that do not work properly,expensive salaries, but does not spend on developing teachers' skills. <br /><br />If the middle and high school math curriculum was handled in any way that the elementary math curriculum adoption was handled that it was set up for failure from the very beginning. I agree that the state may not have handled things properly, but DCSS has not handled things in the best light either and has probably exasperated the errors of the state.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-53695245848255465542011-02-21T21:58:06.689-05:002011-02-21T21:58:06.689-05:00The problems with the integrated math program lies...The problems with the integrated math program lies squarely with the state of GA, not DCSS. The state should have tested the curriculum in a pilot in a handful of high schools first. Instead they rolled it out statewide, but with too little teacher training.<br /><br />It may be that the integrated approach (used in many European and Asian countries) is a better way to teach math. But the state DOE only developed one year of curriculum at a time. They were horribly unprepared. <br /><br />It may be that DeKalb compounded the problem by not putting sufficient resources into the program. Frankly, I attended a few meetings and tried to discuss the implementation. I never felt that the DCSS mathematics hierarchy had a sufficient grasp of the integrated program. But then having an internet PhD or ED in Educational Leadership does not prepare one to teach higher level mathematics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-88014270901593312412011-02-21T21:43:53.787-05:002011-02-21T21:43:53.787-05:00I informed Dr. B of his error with discreet vs. di...I informed Dr. B of his error with discreet vs. discrete. He acknowledged it and sent out corrected versions to principals today. In his response to me, he made another gramatical error. Very concerning--the head of instruction for DCSS cannot write (or speak from what I've observed)with any clarity. Wonder if his bosses realize any of this, especially those who are considering him as the new super.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-19518971749535946262011-02-21T18:24:08.455-05:002011-02-21T18:24:08.455-05:00Why did the math teacher cross discreet?
To get t...Why did the math teacher cross discreet?<br /><br />To get to da udder side!MathMomma from Doravillenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-43265516398381669672011-02-21T18:17:52.101-05:002011-02-21T18:17:52.101-05:00"...as we set the standard for excellence in ..."...as we set the standard for excellence in teaching and learning."<br /><br />Those of you who read Dr. Beasley's regular email pronouncements may be tired of this repeated verbatim in each and every one. For him to use this language in our system is a fine irony.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-26448035194280638122011-02-21T17:49:27.885-05:002011-02-21T17:49:27.885-05:00The DCSS online survey is awful. It's a yes or...The DCSS online survey is awful. It's a yes or no answer. I don't like the math now in place and I don't like the DCSS replacement being proposed. Why in the heck do high schoolers need to take 3 years of statistics? Did anyone see today's AJC front page article stating the millions neighboring districts have spent on implementing the "new" math? Money was spent on training teachers and new text books. Comments from DCSS spokesman Walter Woods-integrated math was not a significant expense for Dek. schools. We taught integrated math out of the old textbooks. Huh??<br />Well, well there's a shocker. This should mean that each high schooler was issued 2-4 math textbooks then. That didn't happen, teachers were expected run off copies. But they only have a certain allotment of county issued copy paper. Last I heard each teacher was issued two packages of paper. So I guess the copies either didn't happen or they were expected to come out of pocket on their already cut salaries. <br />Would it be indiscrete of me to say that we should kick Beasley and the whole lot at DCSS in de skreet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-32039444908255776662011-02-21T17:03:10.295-05:002011-02-21T17:03:10.295-05:00Why bother with a "yes/no" poll? Who...Why bother with a "yes/no" poll? Who's in charge anyway?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com