tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post8284105749782045637..comments2024-01-08T03:21:35.616-05:00Comments on DeKalb County School Watch: Outsourcing coming to DCSS?Cerebrationhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11161868015604029471noreply@blogger.comBlogger106125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-7438902156589645682010-12-30T22:06:43.862-05:002010-12-30T22:06:43.862-05:00On another note . . . Please give some positive su...On another note . . . Please give some positive suggestions for helping parents send their children to school ready to learn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-20455047802858177242010-12-30T21:08:45.285-05:002010-12-30T21:08:45.285-05:00@ Cere
Yes. The custodian group will be the first...@ Cere<br />Yes. The custodian group will be the first one to feel the "rightsizing" effect. Hopefully, the very expensive and ineffective MIS (290 employees costing us $20,000,000 in salary and benefits) can have some savings wrung out of them. Dell already does most of their work for them. <br /><br />Get rid of Parent Centers ($4,000,000+) and let the Counselors and Social Workers absorb those duties. <br /><br />Send most of the Instructional Coaches and Coordinators back into the classrooms to teach students. <br /><br />We can't cut the classrooms (teachers and students) another $50,000,000. Our kids have no more to give.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-45446484703767438862010-12-30T21:03:12.422-05:002010-12-30T21:03:12.422-05:00@ Cerebration
So true. There are no more teachin...@ Cerebration<br /><br />So true. There are no more teaching positions to cut unless we want to close our school system. Custodians, MIS, Staff Development, Landscaping, HVAC, Security - all of these areas need to be looked at for outsourcing if we're to keep our educational system afloat for children. <br /><br />The Central Office and pet programs like the Parent Centers (started by Lewis, staffed by many friends and family - Ms. Zepora Roberts daughter comes to mind among others - cost $4,500,000), America's Choice ($8,000,000), 90 Instructional Coaches ($9,000,000), etc. All of these need to be cut as well. <br /><br />School systems are not school systems without students and teachers. Those two groups are the ONLY necessary components that if either one were gone - the school system would cease to exist. We seem to have forgotten that teaches and students are the only ones we can't do without.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-43103132324138961032010-12-30T20:54:57.488-05:002010-12-30T20:54:57.488-05:00@8:46
Thank you for DIRECTLY supporting learning!...@8:46<br /><br />Thank you for DIRECTLY supporting learning! We all learn better in well maintained facilities!<br /><br />You agree that teachers or custodians can be fired if they don't do good work. <br /><br />The County Office does not do anything--We should start with them. Stop balancing your budget on the least well paid people!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-86567734256794907202010-12-30T20:53:13.925-05:002010-12-30T20:53:13.925-05:00Yes. I'm sure you do. But kids need an educa...Yes. I'm sure you do. But kids need an education. And we've let 400 teacher positions go in the last 2 years. Can you teach those children? To be fair Ms. Tyson needs to cut in the Central Office as well. All non-teaching personnel need to feel the cuts. We need more teachers - not less - and we are lower paying for teachers than almost any other metro system. How would ou propose our children learn if we keep cutting teachers?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-12201567581035428012010-12-30T20:53:11.134-05:002010-12-30T20:53:11.134-05:00Remember, we had to cut $100 million from last yea...Remember, we had to cut $100 million from last year's budget and projections say that we will have to cut at least another $50 million next year. <br /><br />This will be painful no matter. However, students and teachers have already given all the blood they have. Next! (I think the line will be long... custodians are just the beginning.)Cerebrationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11161868015604029471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-88707284165857841222010-12-30T20:46:24.340-05:002010-12-30T20:46:24.340-05:00I like to say that DCCS should cut at the top, Wi...I like to say that DCCS should cut at the top, With people double dipping. I must say I'm a custodian and I do a dam good job, I think of my school like my kids go there. I need my job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-29027420926196884182010-12-30T20:39:01.580-05:002010-12-30T20:39:01.580-05:00"However, the proposal could mean layoffs. Di..."However, the proposal could mean layoffs. Dickerson said about 700 jobs would be impacted. Board chairman Tom Bowen said the proposal impacts 900 jobs – 600 custodians and 350 at the school service center.'<br /><br />That sounds like a start. DCSS has over 8,000 admin and support staff and only 6,500 teachers. We should have the opposite. We have to start somewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-36011654845857936672010-12-30T20:33:13.958-05:002010-12-30T20:33:13.958-05:00I don't think parents care about custodians or...I don't think parents care about custodians or anyone in the school system being cut or outsourced. We only care about more teachers to teach the students and more money going directly into the classroom.<br /><br />Sorry. But that's what the school system is - educating students.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-84677693752186359752010-12-30T20:31:04.621-05:002010-12-30T20:31:04.621-05:00If we don;t outsource and cut in the admin and sup...If we don;t outsource and cut in the admin and support area, I can assure you parents will not like what happens in the classrooms next year. <br /><br /><br />If Ms. Tyson backs down from this and packs more kids into the classrooms because she fells sorry for the custodians or any other group, children will suffer and parents will be screaming. <br /><br />Lewis made sure she's caught betwen a rock and a hard place. By all means - make children a priority in our school system.<br /><br />Hold fast Ms. Tyson.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-18863284934081530002010-12-30T20:31:02.657-05:002010-12-30T20:31:02.657-05:00Scandalgate II ?? -- And just how much does Dave...Scandalgate II ?? -- And just how much does Dave Schutten make with benefits as president of ODE? And what exactly does he do to earn it?<br /><br />I bet he's qualified for the Central Office!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-62708164820957535752010-12-30T20:26:08.016-05:002010-12-30T20:26:08.016-05:00"Let's hope your kids don't learn fro..."Let's hope your kids don't learn from you and outsource you to a nursing home run by contractors!"<br /><br />That's actually not my concern. I'm old and my concern is for my children - they are my future. This is not about custodians or MIS employees or all those other grown up workers. This is about a school system that only exists for children. That's gotten lost in this discussion. <br /><br />It's a competitive world out there. Children need every nickel in the school systemAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-75631455830104208162010-12-30T20:24:20.034-05:002010-12-30T20:24:20.034-05:00This from someone SMARTER than me :
The other per...This from someone SMARTER than me :<br /><br />The other perception is that any outsourcing company can also do it cheaper than you. A MAJORITY OF THIS DEPENDS UPON HOW WELL YOUR COMPANY NEGOTIATES THE CONTRACT. If the contract contains limitations or maximum levels, penalties may start to be assessed. Suddenly, THAT "FIXED PRICE" CONTRACT TURNS INTO AN OUTRAGEOUS FINANCIAL OBLIGATION of DEKALB COUNTY SCHOOLS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-18209528928848171442010-12-30T20:11:43.127-05:002010-12-30T20:11:43.127-05:00@7:52
I am not anyone's attack dog. My sense...@7:52<br /><br /><br />I am not anyone's attack dog. My sense of fairness gets a little pricked when we try to build on the back of any one person or groups for But as the Merchant of Venice reminds us "...if you prick us, do we not bleed? ...Are we not warmed by the same sun?.."<br /><br />If we need to outsource custodial care, let's do so with new hires; with new schools; consolidate custodians who want to continue with Dekalb at some schools...and open other schools to contractors. With the help of retirement, death, changing circumstances, firing for cause Dekalb can ease into this new era in a humane manner.<br /><br />I am not for the way Wall Street and the majestic US business model closes a factory/airline/retail chains under US Bankruptcy protection and re-emerges with much cheaper employees but with an even more highly paid management.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-47000169101607470462010-12-30T19:52:18.168-05:002010-12-30T19:52:18.168-05:00Looks like David Schutten sent out his attack dogs...Looks like David Schutten sent out his attack dogs....<br /><br />Look, this blog and most of its posters were pushing for outsourcing last spring when the budget ideas were being solicited by DCSS. In fact, the survey showed that outsourcing was a very popular idea among all of the stakeholders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-35037165522878651482010-12-30T19:42:56.020-05:002010-12-30T19:42:56.020-05:00The custodians actually TOUCH the classrooms, the ...The custodians actually TOUCH the classrooms, the libraries, and the cafeterias----they directly impact learning!<br /><br />The coaches do not! PDS-24 does not! Jim Dickerson does not! Cut them!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-44224984271588291752010-12-30T19:42:43.653-05:002010-12-30T19:42:43.653-05:00First, cut the central office ot the bone. Then m...First, cut the central office ot the bone. Then make those that are left work so hard for those overly high salaries that they beg to go back to the school house.<br /><br />Only then, mess with those at the bottom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-85846813034288088542010-12-30T19:40:17.931-05:002010-12-30T19:40:17.931-05:00@7:29
Let's hope your kids don't learn fr...@7:29<br /><br />Let's hope your kids don't learn from you and outsource you to a nursing home run by contractors!<br /><br />J/K<br /><br />Can we get our humanity back. Let's get rid of all who don't carry their weight but, in the name of decency, let's not build our kids' future on the misery of hard-working and much needed custodians!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-10891480385936464192010-12-30T19:29:02.022-05:002010-12-30T19:29:02.022-05:00If we can save money by outsourcing admin or suppo...If we can save money by outsourcing admin or support jobs, then by all means do it. We need more teachers. We can't pack more children in the classroom in order to keep the DCSS jobs program intact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-3767546396584068332010-12-30T19:24:24.823-05:002010-12-30T19:24:24.823-05:00This is only about students - adults can take care...This is only about students - adults can take care of themselves. I'm for cutting, consolidating and outsourcing every job outside the classroom Ms. Tyson can. Do not touch the classroom - meaning teachers and students. The classroom is the only reason we pay taxes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-67954436482132595012010-12-30T19:21:38.787-05:002010-12-30T19:21:38.787-05:00"
If my kid can get into Duke because Tucker ..."<br />If my kid can get into Duke because Tucker High get 1 extra teacher with the custodial medical health saving bonanza then I don't give a fig if the Tucker high School custodial staff makes effectively $1000 less per year!'<br /><br />500 custodians getting $1000 less a year would be $500,000 or 10 extra highly qualified teachers with Masters degrees teaching our students.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-58342480236971600992010-12-30T19:18:14.508-05:002010-12-30T19:18:14.508-05:00Dr. Lewis did everyone a great disservice when he ...Dr. Lewis did everyone a great disservice when he added so many personnel on the admin and support side while cutting teaching positions. Now it's going to be like pulling teeth to right size DCSS to add more teachers for our kids.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-13195395373606802872010-12-30T18:48:17.011-05:002010-12-30T18:48:17.011-05:00Yes----it's for the children!
If my kid can ...Yes----it's for the children! <br /><br />If my kid can get into Duke because Tucker High get 1 extra teacher with the custodial medical health saving bonanza then I don't give a fig if the Tucker high School custodial staff makes effectively $1000 less per year!<br /><br />Further, custodians don't get cancer or heart disease like other employees nor do their kids need dental care.<br /><br />Keep your eyes on the Ramona's raise!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-28109480994614417222010-12-30T18:45:25.056-05:002010-12-30T18:45:25.056-05:00Also, before we can add teachers, we need to resto...Also, before we can add teachers, we need to restore teachers' pay to where it should be and their retirement benefits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-151096942903989101.post-32905489406573016462010-12-30T18:44:40.677-05:002010-12-30T18:44:40.677-05:00It is amazing that most of you who have nothing ni...It is amazing that most of you who have nothing nice to say about the competency of DCSS expect outsourcing to work.<br /><br />Who are you kidding? On top of the fact that the contract(s) will have to be well managed, there is tremendous potential for graft and kickbacks.<br /><br />Let's get a new superintendent who cleans house first and then move forward with these kind of initiatives.<br /><br />Remember who the bosses are before you look to turn over millions, perhaps more than 10 million, to private contractors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com